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Real Estate Show with Scott Moore Energy Consultant

Alice Lema: [00:00:00] Well, welcome back to the Real Estate Show folks, and good morning. I'm Alice Lima. I'm a broker here in beautiful Southern Oregon with John O. Scott Real Estate, and today we're gonna be interviewing our new Home Energy Score assessor in southern Oregon. Scott Moore, Scott B. Moore Construction. He's a general contractor.

He's also board certified master home inspector. And he recently got certified to do home energy score assessments down here in Southern Oregon. And if you've never heard about this, welcome to the club. It's something kind of new. It's very popular. Well, I won't say popular cuz mandatory in Portland. Before you could even sell your home, you now are required to do this home energy assessment and have a report available to your potential buyers.

So, Moore of Scott B Moore Construction went ahead and got certified to be our local Southern Oregon Home Energy Score assessor. And I believe he is the first. And so he's gonna come on the show and [00:01:00] educate us on what a home energy score assessment is, what it's not, why he thinks it's a good thing, and, and just to educate all of us so we know what it is. So I'm super excited. I don't know much about it myself, but Scott Moore, Scott B Moore Construction will be coming here quickly to educate and answer some questions.

Before we bring Scott in, let's check the local stats for the week. Josephine County year to year, the prices are still up 1%, so that's almost neutral. But I'm telling you, the number of homes sold, these are residential only, but Josephine County, number of homes sold year to year is down 16%.

Jackson County the prices are up 3% year to year, but the number of solds are down 23%. See something common here. Klamath Falls prices are up still 8%, but the number sold in Klamath County year to year is down [00:02:00] 17%. I'm telling you folks, we still have a low inventory situation in southern Oregon. We still have a few more buyers than sellers.

I know it's not like that in other parts of the country cuz I watched the news too. It's hard to watch but I do watch it. And I'm just here to say if you've ever thought of selling in the next couple of years, you might wanna think about it now. Cuz we understand the market conditions. We understand the interest rates and we still have more buyers than sellers in a lot of our price points.

So give it some thought. In the meantime, let's take a quick break for a word from our sponsors. Thank you to John L. Scott, Ashland, Medford, our local Rogue Valley Association of Realtors, RVAR and Guy Giles ,Mutual Mortgage. We appreciate your support in helping to bring this show every single week so we can educate our listeners and be good consumers in real estate. So don't touch that dial. Scott Moore will be right back talking about the. Energy assessment. [00:03:00]

Well, welcome back to the Real Estate Show folks. Alice Lema, here, broker John L. Scott, beautiful Southern Oregon with one of my favorite people. Scott B. Moore from Scott B. Moore Construction, and he's gonna be talking to us about the Home Energy Score assessment. Welcome Scott.

Scott Moore: Good morning Alice. Nice to be here with you.

Alice Lema: Yeah, it's great to have you back. So a lot of people don't even know about the Oregon Energy Score assessment. Can you kind of give us like an overview of what it is and what it is not?

Scott Moore: Well, first of all, I've gotta say that there is a misconception of what the Home Energy score is and People think, or a lot of people think that if I have a low energy score, you're saying my house is not worthy or a piece of crap, or something like that.

And that's not at all what this is about. Okay? This, this [00:04:00] is, it's a comprehensive calculation that creates an easy to understand evaluation of your home energy use. Okay. And how it can be pro improved. And so what they're trying to do is create something simple to understand, like a, a miles per gallon rating.

Alice Lema: Oh, gotcha.

Scott Moore: Yeah. And so it is a, it is, like I said, it's a very complicated and comprehensive formula that goes into this very simple equation. So it, what it actually in entails is we look at the attributes of the home. That would be the how many stories there are. The orientation of the home, the condition floor, space and and the age of the home as well.

And it also included in that is the attic and roof conditions. [00:05:00] Basically what the the type of attic itt it it is, whether it's conditioned or non conditioned. The the the, the color of the roofing has a lot to do with it. And then the area of windows and skylights and also the foundation is involved in that as well.

And then also the equipment evaluation is also put into this equation, and that would be the heating and cooling, the type of ducting, whether that the house has been air sealed or not, and type of domestic water heater. All that's,

Alice Lema: Wow, that's a lot.

Scott Moore: Yeah, there's quite a bit to it. And also involved with that is the average in your, the municipalities, whether it's a Vista or somebody else, or in our area it's a Vista and Pacific Power, with the exception of Ashland. Ashland has their own electric [00:06:00] service. So all these different factors go into, the equation.

Alice Lema: So how did you, how did you get into the Home Energy Score assessment business? Because I've known you forever as a general contractor and amazing Master Inspector, Board certified.

Scott Moore: Well, thank you. So. It's, it's mandated now in the Portland area that all listings are required to have a home energy score before the listings go live. And they're pushing for that to go down into Ashland. And they were asking for people to get certified as a, as an assessor. And so I pursued that because I could see the market was slowing down some and I, you know, wanted to be able to try and make myself available for assessments. So I went ahead and did that. [00:07:00] And now I'm the only one in southern Oregon that is certified by the Department of Energy to do these assessments.

Alice Lema: Wow. That's amazing. Congratulations.

Scott Moore: Well, thank you. And, and to get my state certification was real simple. I just needed to get certified in building science and you know, this is something I've been doing all my adult life, so that was easy. But the Department of Energy Training that took several months. Yeah, it took several months there. It's it's a very long, exhausting process as you can imagine. Anything with the federal government.

Alice Lema: Well, how exciting. How so how long have you had your Home Energy Score Assessor certificate?

Scott Moore: It's been. See, I think I got my my actual certification in July, maybe, maybe

Alice Lema: Since of 2022. So you're coming up on your first year? Okay. Okay, cool. And how is it going?

Scott Moore: It's, it's [00:08:00] picking up here and there. I like I said, people are afraid of this score and it's a valuable tool. It really is. It's a very useful tool. I have done several of them. And one of the first ones I did was for an energy professional in Ashland. And he wanted to he's getting ready to sell his house in a couple years, and he's done a lot of upgrades to it. And he did a score himself a couple of years ago before he started doing the remodel work.

And he had me come back and do a score on his home again. Now, now that all of his work has been completed. And he, he came out with a nine out of 10, which is really good. Even for a brand new home. And this is a 1964 built home that he had upgraded. And it's gonna be one of the most energy efficient homes in Ashland.

So I created that score for him and he wanted it to go public. And [00:09:00] so it's public for anybody to view.

Alice Lema: Like anybody? Anybody?

Scott Moore: Yeah, anybody, anybody can go there and, the address is 585 Taylor Street in Ashland, 585 Taylor Street. And you simply go to the green Building Registry. And search that address. And you can download the report and also download, download the appraisal addendum.

Alice Lema: Wow. Wow. That's crazy. So this gentleman in Ashland is an energy specialist, is that what you said?

Scott Moore: He works in the energy industry in Ashland. I don't know the name of the company, but they do the the blower door test and that kind of stuff for new in new construction the energy star homes. And I have worked with his partner and I've worked with this gentleman. Also we've come across each other during inspections. So, [00:10:00] and he is also a volunteer with electrify Ashland Group. And it's a group that's actually in quite a few cities now. The Electrify Eugene example. So he, he's working in that industry as well.

Alice Lema: Well, I think that's really bold and awesome that he put his own report into the public forum because then people have a zero risk looking at what the report is, how has turned out, get a little more comfortable. So I think we'll do that 5 85 Taylor Street in Ashland will go to the Green Building Registry, and, and look it up and see what it is, but. You said he got a nine, what's the highest score you can get?

Scott Moore: 10 is the highest score you can get. 10. And it, it, like I said, it's a, it is a simple evaluation to this complex calculation and excuse me in the score the [00:11:00] so it is a one to 10 and say you come in at a five, that means your home uses more energy than 50%.

Alice Lema: Oh, I see. So it's not so much of a judgment.

Scott Moore: Means, so that nine is very good. He uses less energy than 90% of the homes. So also in that they talk about your, or they they estimate your energy, use what it should be. And how it can be improved with you know, equipment changes, window changes, insulation changes, that kind of thing. And it also measures your carbon footprint. So do you, you know where you are and you know where you could be.

Alice Lema: Okay. So I can't even imagine how many items are being evaluated in this energy score assessment is, A number like, cuz the report's quite [00:12:00] lengthy, isn't it?

Scott Moore: Takes generally, I take probably about an hour to an hour and a half in the home getting all the information that I need. And then it goes into a scoring tool.

Alice Lema: Ah, okay.

Scott Moore: It goes to the green registry and then the the final document is created and it's only a two page document.

Alice Lema: Oh, I see. Okay. Okay. So it's just a two page document. And then how can the results be kept Private?

Scott Moore: Yes. They're, they're, unless you want them to be public.

Alice Lema: Gotcha. Gotcha. We're talking to Scott B. Moore, Scott B Moore Construction. He's our first in Southern Oregon, Home Energy Score assessor. And so we're just grabbing him to get educated about what this is, and it's really quite fascinating. So as people get more aware of this, they can hire you or [00:13:00] somebody like you to come in and do it, whether they're doing a home inspection or not. Is that correct?

Scott Moore: Yes. Correct. It, it can be bundled with a home inspection or it can be a standalone service.

Alice Lema: Okay. And you do not have to make it public, but you can if you want.

Scott Moore: Yeah. You, you have the option to go either way and if you do your initial evaluation and you keep it private. It's very difficult to make it public from that. I can't do it myself. Only the one administrator of the site could actually do that. So, I mean, it's, it's not something that Big Brother isn't snooping on yet. Okay.

Alice Lema: Not yet. Jazz. Kidding folks. We're not, we're not a political show. There's a little house humor there. Well, one of the concerns people have right now in the state of Oregon at least, and maybe across the country [00:14:00] is that the use of natural gas is being a discussed, to possibly not use natural gas so much. And is that on, is that an item on this energy score assessment?

Scott Moore: It, so there all of the different types of equipment are are, can be in added into this score and they are added into the score regardless whether it's all electric or you've got gas. There is a lot of very efficient, high rated. Gas equipment out there, you know. Example, for example, like a tankless water heater.

Alice Lema: That, those are amazing.

Scott Moore: Yeah. They're, they're but the electric ones don't work very well. The only the gas ones do the electric.

Alice Lema: Oh, really? So can you just touch on that? We, we've got about a minute left, but the, I didn't realize there was a difference.

Scott Moore: Oh yeah, there's a big difference. In fact the plumbers that I [00:15:00] always use when I was still doing construction on a regular basis would not even install them because they was, they were always,

Alice Lema: A lot of plumbers say that. I didn't know why.

Scott Moore: Yeah, yeah. There's always callbacks on them.

Alice Lema: So they, they actually don't function properly, is that what you're saying?

Scott Moore: Hot water .

Alice Lema: Oh, good grief. Well, we can't have that.

Scott Moore: You know, if you've got a teenager that's taking a 15 minute shower, you know forget it. Yeah. .

Alice Lema: Okay, so the, the gas tankless hot water heaters are better than the electric ones. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Well hold that thought. We want to talk more about all of the equipment that goes into a House and Home energy score. We're with Scott B. Moore, Scott B. Moore Construction, our first ever in southern Oregon, home Energy Score assessor. He's got decades of experience. Super informative and apparently a [00:16:00] trailblazer cuz he's the first one to have this assessment for the Home Energy Score program. We're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back from a word from our sponsors. Don't go away.

Well, welcome back folks to the Real Estate Show. I'm Alice Lima, I'm a broker with John L Scott Real Estate, we're having one of our favorite people, Scott B Moore from Scott B Moore Construction back, and he's our first ever in southern Oregon Home Energy Score assessor. And Scott, you were talking right before the break about hot water heaters and natural gas and find it very interesting that the electric tankless hot water heaters are not recommended.

Scott Moore: Yeah. Yeah. And I think it just, it just makes common sense as far as that goes. You know, the higher rated water heaters are the heat pump water heaters. Those are the much more expensive one, the high efficiency ones. But the, the gas domestic water heaters right [00:17:00] now, they score very high. They're, they're very efficient. And that's what I have in my own home. I'm real happy.

Alice Lema: Yeah, people love 'em. People love their natural gas, and we have a lot of it in the northwest. What about the furnaces?

Scott Moore: The same with furnaces as well. Now as far as the energy score goes the, the ductless heat pumps, the, the mini splits, they rank the highest. And there's different grades of those as well. There's energy star ones and there's ones that aren't energy star. But they do, they by far rank the highest. But your high efficiency gas furnaces they, they rank very well.

Also for example, my home was built back in 2012. I've got gas, domestic water. I've got a gas furnace and an air conditioning system. And I scored a seven out of 10 with no improvements. And the only improvements I could do is do duct sealing and air sealing [00:18:00] to get up to an 8. So, I mean, that's, that's, that's a, that's an energy efficient flow.

Alice Lema: So, and again, let's just remind the listeners that the score is not a judgment. It's, it's what again? Yeah. If you got an eight, that means what?

Scott Moore: That means that I, I, that I use less energy than 80% of the homes in park area. Okay. Okay. So only 20% would use than our house.

Alice Lema: Yes. Wow. So going back to the, the furnaces, the ductless mini splits some people like 'em, some people hate 'em. And so do you think that because they score high on the energy, Assessment that there's gonna be a bigger push perhaps for people to switch to those.

Scott Moore: Well, I know in a lot of new construction especially for the the energy star homes that are being built in Ashland, they're all duct as mini splits now.

Alice Lema: [00:19:00] And they're really.

Scott Moore: Yeah. Yeah. If you are going with a full green building that's what you got.

Alice Lema: Okay, but not all new construction, just the green buildings.

Scott Moore: They're not all energy star partners. But there, there are subdivisions. The last subdivision I worked on I was an energy star partner.

Alice Lema: Mm-hmm. . Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. So, so how, how are, how is the public receiving? And just to, just to remind people, the ductless mini splits, they're not the thing that sits outside your house. They're the big thing on the wall. Yeah. Right.

Scott Moore: No, there's an outside unit as well. That's, that is actually the heat pump. And then what's on the wall is what they call the air handler. You know, basically it's, it's this, the, the, the components are named the same as a standard grid system.

Alice Lema: And how are they cost wise compared to a heat pump?

Scott Moore: They can be cost effective. They, they can, especially if you're looking at something like an [00:20:00] older structure that maybe something that's on slab on grade and doesn't have much of an attic where you can't run ducting and that kind of thing it, they, they can be cost effective.

Alice Lema: Interesting. Interesting. Now, in Portland, do they have a different set of rules and criteria than what you're doing? Or is it the same thing?

Scott Moore: It's basically the same thing. The only thing I think that would make a difference is municipalities up there. You know, that would probably be the, the, the one big difference. But essentially there's, there's close to 600 assessors across the nation.

Alice Lema: That's very many though. Sorry.

Scott Moore: We're spend thousands of evaluations done. And of course, in our state, it's all in the Portland area. But we all use the same scoring tool and the only thing that changes is just the geographic locations. You know, municipalities and you know the average [00:21:00] energy consumption in your area, that kind of thing also.

Alice Lema: That's interesting. So there's a regional component to this energy score assessment. So would, would that mean that someplace like Denver or like Tahoe might have a different average score just because of their altitude and snow.

Scott Moore: Exactly. Yeah. That, that's a good point. That's exactly what we're talking about here. You could have you could have you know, a, a 2000 square foot house here in southern Oregon and have the exact same house in Texas, and the score is gonna change.

Alice Lema: Yeah, yeah, I bet. Well, how fascinating. Yeah. So I wonder if people might start using Regions Energy average in their decision to move. If they wanna be with a smaller footprint, for example, they might pick a more mild climate.

Scott Moore: Well, it that's, you know, with people that are able to work remotely nowadays, that's certainly something [00:22:00] that I'm sure people are considering. Yeah. Yeah. I, I'm sure that, that that reasons into a lot of people's decisions.

Alice Lema: Well, and if it's, if it's a scoring component, then yeah, it's, it could become a thing. We're talking to Scott Moore, Scott B Moore Construction. He's our first ever in Southern Oregon Home Energy Score assessor. So he is educating us and giving us lots of information about what that all includes. Let's talk about roofs, cuz roofs are fascinating to me, and I bet their different kinds of roofs have different scores. Is that right?

Scott Moore: Mostly the, the the roofing components color is what is factors into this, how they reflect the sun, how much they absorb. And in the attic there's there's two different types of roof sheathing that can be used. You can use a standard plywood or o sb or they have a [00:23:00] solar guard type of sheathing that actually reflects sun. And yeah, it's got a, it's a it's basically the same OSP component, but it has like a foil back. And that foil backer goes down, it points down into the attic area. So you can see it, you can, you can know it's real easy to distinguish it. And that helps to deflect heat into the attic.

So, you know, the, all those kind of things as far as the roof goes, ventilation whether it's a finished attic which would mean that it could be like a cathedral ceiling that's has insulation between the rafters or if it's you, our standard blown in, loose filled fiberglass type insulation.

Alice Lema: Okay, so lots more questions. The different types of roofs that we see here in southern Oregon, we see metal roofs, we see the lifetime tile. There's some flat roofs. [00:24:00] There's the regular black composite. How do those all rate in this new home Energy score assessment?

Scott Moore: Well yeah, like I mentioned, it's the color of the roof is what

Alice Lema: so it's not the material, it's just the color.

Scott Moore: Yeah, the material. Yeah, it's the color. Yeah. Yeah. I mean the type of roofing is factored into the equation, but really what matters is the color.

Alice Lema: Okay, well that was simple. Real simple. So you mentioned insulation. Let's talk about the different types of insulation and especially what we're using here in Southern Oregon and how they might be rated on the home energy score.

Scott Moore: Okay, so there we actually have a chart for what the installation requirements have been actually since back in the sixties in Oregon and the, the, the northern territories here. And we, [00:25:00] we kind of default to that but I have to verify that there is insulation in, in the walls and that we have a technique for that as well without using complicated equipment. The newer insulation that we have now, especially, I mean, it's, it's really gotten a lot better in the last 20 years or so.

For instance in a typical exterior, two by six wall cavity, the best insulation we could do say in 95 was an R 19. Well, now they in a bat insulation you can have R 21 now in the same, and the same thing in the floor insulation as well. Just not too long ago, the best we could do was R 21 in a nine inch cavity, but we can do an R 30 now. Yeah. So yeah, it's, it's, it technology is, is working its way in every part of the, you know, building process, that's for sure.

Alice Lema: So if, if somebody has an older home, cuz that's really common in southern Oregon, how would they [00:26:00] upgrade their insulation? Because they're not starting from scratch, like new construction. So what are their options?

Scott Moore: Well, okay, so it, it's, it's never recommended to do upgrade insulation in your walls as far as the energy store goes, just because it's so invasive. Yeah. But you can upgrade your floor and attic Insulation capacity, but I, you know, there's more to it as than that as well.

I mean, it's a lot of people think that the, the home energy score is something, oh, well, anybody can figure that out. But what might seem remedial to you and me and other people just fly by some people. And I, I did one here not too long ago. And they had called me to come do this assessment because the power company sent them a notice saying that they were using way more power than anybody else in their neighborhood.

And they should turn their thermostat down to [00:27:00] 62. And these people were. Yeah, these people were and the last thing they wanna do is freeze in their house, . So I went out there and did the assess assessment and made all the the improvement recommendations. But what they didn't realize was they had a house that was built in the 80's you know, common track house and the garage was not finished except for the firewall separation. Well, they added a heat register into the garage and used that as a heated workspace. So they're pumping heat conditioned air into this garage with no insulation of the walls. I mean, like our parents used to say they were heating the neighborhood.

Alice Lema: But a lot of us do that, you know, we punch a little vent so that it can it can flow from the house [00:28:00] to the garage. That's pretty common. . Yeah. So you know, leaving the door open and you know, no insulation anywhere. You know, that's, that's where, you know, the, the large part of that energy cost is going.

So your recommendation was to finish the garage?

Scott Moore: Well, I, I told 'em that they should just keep that duck closed in Except for when they're gonna use it and keep the fire door closed and have, instead of, instead of having it wide open.

Alice Lema: Simple, no cost fixes. That's what we love about you, Scott. We're talking to Scott Scott M Moore. Scott B Moore Construction. He's actually very well known in the home inspection world. He's a board certified master inspector, and he's our first ever in southern Oregon Home Energy Score assessor. Scott you're gonna have to hold that thought again. We have to take another quick break. Say thank you to our sponsors, John L. Scott, Ashland and Medford, Guy Giles, Mutual Mortgage and our local Rogue Valley [00:29:00] Association of Realtors RVAR. We appreciate you very much. This broadcast is gonna be repeated again tomorrow, Sunday at 6:00 PM on KC M x 99.5. Don't go away. We'll be right back with Scott Moore and Home Energy.

Well, hey, Southern Oregon. Welcome back to the Real Estate Show. I'm Alice Lema, broker, John L. Scott Real Estate. We're talking to Scott Beam Moore, Scott B Moore Construction, about energy score assessments. He's our first ever home energy score assessor here in southern Oregon. Welcome back to the show, Scott.

Scott Moore: Well, thank you for having me.

Alice Lema: So, so many questions. This is such new new technology. Let's talk about windows. You know, we're talking about home energy score. Windows are something people think about all the time. How does that work with these scores?

Scott Moore: So I first, people really need to realize that there [00:30:00] are a lot of different types of windows and just because it's a dual glaze window, Doesn't mean it's argon filled low E . Yeah. No, there's, there's a lot of windows on the market. They're even used in our area that are just double pane glass. There is several different types of coatings that can go on the glass that, that change, the u, the U rating and the evalue as well. So yeah, not all windows are the same.

And we have different ways of looking at windows to determine what type, type of tinting is on there. For example, the windows at my home they're, they're argon filled and solar guard windows. So it's a, it's a coating that you can't really see. It's not really tinted. But you can see it with a L e d flashlight, if you shine it in a particular way, you can tell the difference between the two panels.

It's kind of[00:31:00] yeah. Yeah. It's kind of cool to look at it that way. But yeah. So with windows the square footage of your glass in your home has a lot to do with your energy score, and I looked at one in Ashland, not too long ago.. A real nice house, beautiful wood windows. But it, the place was built in the late eighties or early nineties, so these were just double paned windows.

And one of the things they were complaining about is they could feel the, the cold transfer through the glass. But this is, like I said, a real nice home had all energy star equipment, but their home came out with a score four oh because of the high energy use or energy loss through the windows.

So, and they had a lot of windows. And so, you know, one of the simple fixes is just air sealing that they could do on their own. Which was real [00:32:00] simple, just caulking around the trim, around the windows adding the foam gaskets behind the all the plugs in the house, that kind of sealing up attic penetrations and, you know these are things that homeowners can do without

Alice Lema: They're kinda plugging the leaks, sort of.

Scott Moore: And yeah, and that's the point of, I, I mentioned a blower door test earlier. That's the point of a blower door test. They actually they set up a device in your door and close all the windows and what not and turn it on. And it measures the rate of leakage in the home.

Alice Lema: It does from one device.. That's super cool.

Scott Moore: Yeah, it's cool. So if you're, you know, and these blower door tests are done on all the earth advantage homes in Ashland. So yeah, air sealing has a lot to do with it, but windows and air sealing that they kind of go hand in hand there as, as well as duct sealing. Yep.

Alice Lema: Wow. So let's talk a little bit about home sales and real estate [00:33:00] agents. Because this is so new, especially at our area, what should real estate agents know and understand so that they can speak to their clients about these different environmentally friendly things in a house or not, or maybe missing from a house?

Scott Moore: Okay, so with the Home Energy score we we're basically setting up a roadmap for what you can do to improve your conditions. Maybe you don't need to do much. Maybe you've got a real high energy efficient home and all you can do is do duct sealing or something like that. And so it gives you an opportunity to advertise and verify that you have a home you know, a a highly efficient, and one of the things in the real estate, is that home [00:34:00] energy efficiency has been, and still is grossly underrated for the value of the home.

You know, I mean, so many things can be done in just real small steps to save a lot of energy. And I think we all are trying to do that now regardless of how you look at things and your political view. Everybody wants to save energy. Everybody wants a cleaner environment. So if everybody can help out a little bit by making improvements, everybody pitching in a little bit makes a big difference. But like we mentioned earlier people might be going to different regions. If they can work remotely or if they're retiring and want to be in an energy efficient building envelope. So these type of evaluations are, are key to that. So that would be recommending two people considering selling their home. They might get a little more action, maybe a little [00:35:00] higher price if they do this energy score possibly.

Alice Lema: So I, you know, I kind of agree with that. I think that's, Yeah.

Scott Moore: But also so you have an energy score and it says, okay, well if you upgrade your insulation, tighten up your siding, change windows or whatever you're gonna get you know, you're gonna cut your carbon footprint in half and, and your energy consumption is gonna go down by $600 a year or something like that.

These are just arbitrary numbers that gives the the buyer the incentive to make these changes and get the incentive kickbacks from Department of Energy. So that's, that's another thing that they can look at going into a home.

Alice Lema: So the incentives Yeah. And we wanted to make sure we, we talked about that.

Scott Moore: Yeah. Yeah. So I, the, the, the interesting thing with the incentives is [00:36:00] they only qualify for single fam, family residents, or mobile as well. But they also are available for rental properties, so it doesn't have to be a sale or a purchase. You can upgrade your rental property and get those incentives and I'm in the process of doing that in the remodel. I'm doing in Jacksonville right now.

Alice Lema: Wow. Wow. So Gosh, we're gonna be out of time. We're gonna have to have you back. But just quickly the remodel you're doing in Jacksonville, what kind of upgrades are they getting?

Scott Moore: Well, I, this thing is a almost a top to bottom upgrade. It's I mean, all the plumbing, insulation. Oh, it's a complete rehab. Yeah. It's a complete, I've, I've torn the wall. Yeah. All the interior walls, all the bearing points.

Alice Lema: Okay. , well, most of us are, are not willing to do that. Okay. So I get if you're doing a complete overhaul that it's easy, right? Is that what you're saying?

Scott Moore: [00:37:00] Yeah. Well you can, you know, even if you're doing something as simple as just changing your windows, Or changing your attic insulation or something like that. There's those incentives are still there. When I send out a home energy score, I also send the, the 2023 list of incentives as well.

Alice Lema: Oh, cool. Cool. Yeah. So Scott people wanna get ahold of you. How do they do that? What's your cell and what's your email?

Scott Moore: Well, they can always reach me at 541-621- 1793. Or you can reach me at [email protected] or you can catch me at roguevalleyhomeinspections.com. Great.

Alice Lema: Great. And folks, he does answer his phone and if he can't, cuz he is under a house, he'll text you. He's very, very good that way. Love that. Well, Scott, we're definitely gonna have to have you back. Thanks so much for all that education on the home energy score assessment folks. Have a great weekend. We'll be back again tomorrow [00:38:00] at 6:00 PM Bye now.